A new open-source audio plug-in format is emerging. As it's being developed in the open with the music software companies and open-source audio developers alike I think it has the potential to unify the landscape, make open-source the standard and introduce unprecedented interoperability between proprietary and libre audio packages, allowing people to easily move to the libre side, as all their expansive plug-ins would "just work!"!
Say hello to CLAP:
@unfa saying development is being done "in the open" is a bit misleading.
In my opinion feature planning and release schedules are part of development, and those are closed off. There is a LOT of discussion not happening in a the public space.
It is still frustrating seeing this fragmentation.
The past and current effort for clap could have gone to improve LV2, but they were not even interested on such discussions in the first place.
@falktx @unfa@mastodon.social Yeah, I guess it could be more open. But anyone can get in touch and join the discussion, so I'd encourage Linux audio developers to do that! I can't say anything useful to DSP programmers, so I'll stay here.
I wish LV2 could rule the world, but since that is not going to happen, maybe CLAP could be the next best thing?
@unfa@sonomu.club @falktx @unfa@mastodon.social With JUCE finally adding support, maybe LV2 has a chance now?
A shame that JUCE seems to have such a gatekeeper role.
@murks @unfa @unfa depends on what you mean by "chance".
I have many high-quality LV2 plugins installed on my system, all of them opensource. For Linux-audio, LV2 was/is the format to go for a long time. Other systems have other formats that are more popular.
Anyway my point is - depending on your usecase and point of view, LV2 can be considered a success already. People have been using and developing for LV2 already for many years.
Popularity contests are a bit meaningless in opensource.
@falktx @unfa@sonomu.club @unfa@mastodon.social I guess people would like to get all the popular commercial plugins natively on Linux. That hasn't happened with LV2 so far and now they bank on CLAP to provide that.
Not that it could not have been done so far, but since some commercial entities are behind CLAP people seem to get their hopes up.
For my personal requirements, which are admittedly modest, the open source LADSPA/LV2 plugins we have now are more than adequate.
@murks @unfa @unfa Nothing stopped the commercial vendors from using VST2 and VST3 for that, we do not need clap to push closed-source proprietary plugins on Linux.
Clap is not going to magically turn the tides for this. If anything, some plugins and hosts will be released with clap support for Windows and macOS but not Linux.
That is already the case for https://www.multitrackstudio.com/ btw
@falktx @murks @unfa@sonomu.club Hmm. Right. The fact that someone makes plug-ins in CLAP doesn't mean they can be run on Linux automatically... The vendors would need to make Linux versions still.
Though if all the proprietary DAWs adopt the CLAP format, then having REAPER, Bitwig, Renoise and some others on Linux might be a good enough reason for proprietary plug-in vendors to provide Linux builds.
And that would also mean doing music production on Linux for non-FOSS maniacs like myself would be easier.
@falktx @unfa@sonomu.club @unfa@mastodon.social That is what I think too. If they wanted to they could have released their commercial plugins for Linux years ago.
That DAW does not seem to have a Linux version at all, so no surprise that it does not offer CLAP on Linux.