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for comparison, the default dark mode.

when light mode is really light mode
and everything goes white! ☀️ ◻️

@jeffcliff wow something is seriously wrong with you.

everyone's situation is different, they can't just "fix" it, when I say most folks I know don't have enough savings that doesn't mean it is their fault as if they could magically fix their situation. I am sure if they could, they would.

and being self-sufficient is not inherently bad, why do you assume it is a shithole?

people with money dont want to pay for certain things anyway so this "plenty of money to go around" doesnt apply

@jeffcliff why do you keep insinuating homeless people are drug users, wtf

look, money is not a big motivator for me. I earn just enough to get by, not interested on much more. so "go and fix that" no thank you.

and why are you so annoyed by all this?
most of the people I know really cannot afford to hire others, they have their own bills and expenses to deal with and already a struggle to pay everything most of time.
most folks do not even have enough savings to last 2 months without a salary

@jeffcliff well if you dont care then you cant see the problem.

I cannot afford to pay someone to do work for me, most people also cannot. It is unrealistic to expect people to be able to pay for such things.
Where is the FUD in this?

@jeffcliff still dont get what you are on about.

you think paying a few people even just the minimum wage is cheap?

a small company can pay in between 100-500 eur in expenses for all services it uses, a bit more for renting an office.
a single full-time position is more than all those extra expenses combined.

for most people, even those with a stable job, the thought of hiring someone to do a task full-time is just out of question.
nowadays we are lucky if we can afford rent on our own.

@jeffcliff people are expensive is FUD? who are the ones giving the support besides people?
your reply makes no sense.

OBS and audio plugins, it's really coming!
Just opened an initial pull request for review https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/pull/8919 🎉

@alexandria @Di4na @marcan@treehouse.systems for sure we all wish the situation would be better.
we have to work with what we have, I for one am very grateful on the work done on Wayland so far.

to anyone working on wayland things, thank you.

@Di4na I am not saying anything like that, my previous point was only that most people do not have the power or means to hire others, so saying such option is available means very little.

@marcan@treehouse.systems @Di4na of course, but hiring people is one of the most costly expenses we can have, it is not realistic for the far majority of people.

@Di4na @marcan@treehouse.systems related to this...

we often push the idea that with proprietary software we are at the mercy of what its owner wants to do, that the same thing (in theory) doesnt happen if it was opensource.
but from users POV they are all the same. and at least with commercial software (which is usually proprietary) there is an incentive to maintain it.

this is a bit off-topic, sorry, just something I think about a lot.

@Di4na @marcan@treehouse.systems as with everything, there is a balance and it is not purely black and white.

I fear that users will get tired of the situation where a cool project exists but stopped being maintained long time ago, creating this image of "abandonware trashland".

@MoshiBar @marcan@treehouse.systems @Di4na that part of my comment was referring "in generic terms", because it is quite common for smaller projects.

X11 is for sure not small, or a create-and-dump scenario.

in my opinion X11 and some other critical projects/systems should be funded from a global pool, to ensure they keep running for as much as it is doable and practical. but I cant help there...

@marcan@treehouse.systems @Di4na ideally this would be something offset with some government funding, since it can be said to be part of critical infrastructure.
but we know that doesn't happen.

my comment was more in generic terms, we have far too many "create and dump" projects that are abandoned far too quickly, creating a kind of software pollution in a sense.

I really dislike this idea that when we make something we have no responsibility about it whatsoever.

@Di4na @marcan@treehouse.systems that breaks trust in an instant..

if we dont plan on maintaining something, maybe we shouldnt create it in the first place?

we have difference expectations on this. for me, keeping our software going or giving it to someone else when we no longer can do it ourselves is the reasonable thing to do.

the world relies a lot on software nowadays, but we treat it as some kind of disposable toy.

@Di4na @marcan@treehouse.systems I am glad they did, and hope we get to keep X11 things working for a while, because we are still in a transition period.

It is nice to want things to move along, but we need to provide a path for that to happen that doesn't involve having to deal with broken things.

Users are complaining for a reason, for as much as devs have been saying to "move to wayland!", they cannot do that when the tools they rely on do not work.

@Di4na @marcan@treehouse.systems err people do want X11, myself included. your questions was badly phrased..

And I expect people to be a bit more altruistic, then we wouldn't even need to discuss this so much.

Users often do not understand what is involved in maintaining such software. It is very complex matter, we should not blame the users.
Sometimes they say things that are misguided, it is up to us to correct them.

Software devs are the ones that know what is involved, but often still refuse to contribute

@marcan@treehouse.systems this could easily be said about many software projects.
some folks wants stuff to work nice and stable, but do not want to put in the work themselves to help make it so.

with how many developers there are out there, it is a bit sad that so few (sometimes none) volunteer to take care of base infrastructure.

perhaps the result of a systemic problem.
X11/Wayland just being one of critical pieces involved. the same story to be repeated soon with other critical system libraries.